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RE: Ash vs Evil Dead Season 2 General Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
X-Posting this to the other thread since it's not spoilery!
Ted and Bruce seem fairly certain that season 3 is happening. Either we get an announcement at Comic Con again or Starz is telling them one thing and holding back in actuality. Power just debuted to huge numbers again so Starz might be playing it close to the vest until we get a season premiere.
So Chet is Ash if Ash hadn't become chosen - settling into middle-age mediocrity, with bad hair judging from the trailer - will he just be an easy target for The Evil or will he get to put up a fight?
RE Great revelation - Ash's secret brother?
(Also Ted tells a great story in this interview about getting approached by someone who likes Lunatics: A Love Story in this interview)
The Cheryl-is-still-Ash's-Sister part is what I'm happiest about.
Re Ashy-slashy - since in this verse whatever happened in the altered Evil Dead 2 timeline resulted in AOD apparently not happening (because there's no way he wouldn't be believed after the S-Mart incident), it's pretty likely that Ash was blamed for everyone's deaths (I guess we can add Jake, Bobbie Jo, Annie, both Knowbys and everyone's favorite bit part demon to that death toll too). Did he plead insanity? Is that why we've got an asylum episode? He gets thrown back in?
I love the poster; wonder if they'll be selling prints.
I feel fairly comfortable calling that another stab at fake controversy. They showed the red band for the remake at Comic Con and they're screening the season premiere there; no way anyone officially in charge gives a crap.
Pros and cons time:
Pros:
* Force cam!
* The look on Ash's face when he sees Cheryl's room
* Makeup and effects. I will not put them slathering CGI on everything later past them tho
* The use of Ace of Spades
* Ted's horrible dye job, which I'm sure will set the tone for the character. Chet seems super likable, which is good and will make his (likely from Ted's stories) death impactful.
* The Classic Mach 2 being turned into a Christine-like demonic hellcar.
Cons:
* The jokey nature of the trailer makes me very worried that they're not going to give the whole Cheryl thing any weight. Ted Raimi talked about tone balance in his interview and it still remains a concern for me. Bruce's emotive reaction was very nice and I want to be hopeful.
* In fact the tone ping-pongs around a lot, which was a problem last season. The movies did it brilliantly, the show has little to no patience for it.
* Very, very little Linda2. Remember what happened last season when they mismanaged Amanda? I have similar fears.
* I'm on the fence about the whole Ashey Slashy stuff. It's a little 'Carrie White burns in hell'/Halloween Resurrection for me and, at the moment, doesn't make much canonical sense. Making it work for me is going to hinge on how they handle the rewrite of Evil Dead 2's ending.
* How did Ruby manage to lose control of the situation? She's an ancient demon who presumably lived through this situation before in the olden times. SHE WANTED THIS CHAOS.
* Spicy man meat. Mother/daughter sandwich....
* On the fence about Ash's dad being EXACTLY like him. I like it and yet eh. Nice twist that Ash is embaressed by the shit his dad is doing though. Maybe he internalized his behavior and that's why Ash is Ash?
* The psych ward episode looks cringy.
Notes:
* The blonde they kept showing looked so much like Samira Weaving I got distracted.
* The 'not again' implies that people regularly turn into Deadites at Ash's bar. How far will the bonds of credulity strain on that one?
* Pablo roaring in a graveyard with a mouthful of blood. Looks like he might tempo-turn for awhile?
I liked "Ladies First" better as a throwaway. IDK! We'll see how it goes.
Joem1k said:Here's the Official schedule for comic con.
[img=600x300]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnqcxjJUEAAhWHC.jpg[/img]
Source : https://twitter.com/AshvsEvilDead/status/755088450877923332
X-Posting this to the other thread since it's not spoilery!
Joem1k said:Here's a interview with ted raimi on season 2, here's some highlights
iH: You’ll be playing Ash’s childhood best friend for Season 2, so tell us a bit about your character and how you came to that role?
TR: The character is called Chet Kaminsky. Chet was a character’s name that they had already come up with as Ash’s friend, and the last name Kaminsky was an idea that I had that I gave to the writers because I figured they may have met somewhere in Detroit, and Detroit has a huge Polish population, so just to honor all the amazing Poles that live there I thought, well maybe (Chet) is Polish, too. You can’t really grow up in Detroit and not know three or four people with Wieschowski, Kaczuszki, Kaminsky, names like that. So that was sort of my idea, but Chet was theirs and the guy who wrote it is the head writer on the show, Craig DiGregorio came up with that to be sort of, I think, a parallel to Ash’s character in that you could see what Ash may have turned into if he had say stayed there in his old life in Michigan. And you can see, too, Ash really didn’t get very far (laughs). Chet just got even a little less far than Ash did, but they are old pals and a lot of what they did when they were younger is revealed in Season 2, so it’s very exciting.
iH: Ray Santiago and Dana DeLorenzo were introduced as Bruce Campbell’s sidekicks last season and did a fantastic job. Can we expect their roles to grow and evolve in the ten episodes to come?
TR: Yes, they do evolve and grow. Unfortunately I can’t give you details as to how they do, but I can tell you that those two actors, as the new faces of The Evil Dead universe couldn’t be better. They have equal parts comic ability and dramatic ability, so they really bring it home. And you really need that delicate balance to be in The Evil Dead universe because if it’s too much a comedy it becomes silly but if you’re too straight and serious it becomes a straight horror picture. And these guys really know how to walk that incredibly difficult and high-strung tightrope wire to bring it home and make a great show. They really do add a great, great deal to the show and I felt very fortunate to be able to act with those two guys.
(Season 3 confirmed?)iH: Season 1 was splatstick at its finest, everything Evil Dead fans have come to know and love — buckets of blood and belly-laughs — so what does “Ash vs Evil Dead” have in store to up the ante. How is it different and how does it improve on the first ten episodes?
TR: You’ll find that the minute character development details which were outlined in Season 1 are going to really expand and explode in personal and in bloodbath manners, both. Yes, of course the fans are going to get more guts, more gore but also they’re going to get more interesting and complicated relationships between the characters as they sort of progress and they take on their own importance and their own stories. I think you’re going to see that in Season 2 and I think you’ll probably see it finally, really come to fruition in Season 3 is my guess.
iH: When last season ended, there had been a showdown at the cabin and a deal was struck with Ruby (Lawless) over the Necronomicon that left Ash and his minions heading for Jacksonville. Where does Season 2 begin and where does the action take the Ghostbeaters? If you can say anything.
TR: (Laughs) I’m afraid if I say that six guys from Starz are going to come my door and beat the living shit out of me. And that is the truth, so I cannot tell you that, but I do appreciate your insistence on getting that question. And I also want to tell you how good you are at slipping that question in quickly while I was just rattling some stuff off but brother, I ain’t gonna fall for it (laughs). You’re a good interviewer and a good reporter, you did it well, it’s just that I’ve had experience with this before (laughs).
iH: The cast seems to be very tight knit and a group which has a good time together, so there has to be a behind the scenes tale or two worth some laughs.
TR: I can say this, something that did remind me of the old days, I’ll tell you this story. At some point I am covered in blood, which isn’t surprising, every actor is on that show. I’ve been covered in blood many, many times in my life and my career, I do mostly horror pictures so it’s nothing new to me. I do remember one day getting out of my actors chair and the chair stuck to me, I couldn’t get it off of my butt. I was walking around with an actors chair attached to my butt and they had to go get help from the wardrobe department to remove it, it was hilarious. And everybody was very concerned that I would be upset about that, but I wasn’t. I finally felt, Oh, I’m finally back in Evil Dead now. And that’s a true story.
iH: We already covered the fact that you can’t reveal details, but when we spoke with Ray Santiago last year he shared that his character, Pablo would experience something that no man should ever have to go through. So we got a teaser without any specific plot or event given away, but it turned out to be Pablo’s Necronomicon possession. So is there something of an “Ash vs Evil Dead” teaser for Season 2 that’s not too specific or revealing that can give the fans something to think about and look forward to without getting yourself into hot water with the suits?
TR: There is a great surprise that fans will see with my character. I can’t tell you what that is, but it’s a great surprise. I think it will excite a lot of fans and be very unexpected but that’s all I can say. There is a great revelation towards the end of the season, but that’s all I can say. But there is a huge revelation with my character. I can tell you that.
Source : http://ihorror.com/ihorror-interview-ted-raimi-says-season-2-ash-vs-evil-dead-holds-great-revelation/
Overall thoughts: I'm starting to get the feeling now that season 2 is going to be whole different ballgame right down to the script writing but that remains to be seen so i'm gonna hold my tongue until the first episode. It's good to hear that they had fun working on this new season , and i bet 10 bucks bruce and rob had something to do with the glue incident or sam decided to drop by and play some games with the crew and cast.
This is gonna be quite the week ahead of us
Ted and Bruce seem fairly certain that season 3 is happening. Either we get an announcement at Comic Con again or Starz is telling them one thing and holding back in actuality. Power just debuted to huge numbers again so Starz might be playing it close to the vest until we get a season premiere.
So Chet is Ash if Ash hadn't become chosen - settling into middle-age mediocrity, with bad hair judging from the trailer - will he just be an easy target for The Evil or will he get to put up a fight?
RE Great revelation - Ash's secret brother?
(Also Ted tells a great story in this interview about getting approached by someone who likes Lunatics: A Love Story in this interview)
DocLathropBrown said:There's a LOT of potential win in that full trailer:
*Cheryl being confirmed as his sister!!
*His old home looks run-down/abandoned. His father might not even live there anymore. I get the sense that also means that Ash never came home after the cabin/time travel incident. Ash clearly thinks he needs to come there (first?) so I suppose it'll be a shock to him that dad's not living there.
*"Ashy Slashy" graffiti on the front of his house--where there rumors back home about why Ash never came back? Does the town think that he turned psycho? Are the deaths of Shelley, Cheryl, Scotty and Linda blamed on him?
The gore and stuff looks great, but the real meat for me is drama--and there's A LOT of drama to explore in the hints we got from this trailer. This is a much better, more satisfying trailer than the S1 trailer BY FAR. There's nothing that bugged me about it. Getting into the way his experiences in the trilogy ruined his life is what I wanted in the first season. At least we're getting to touch on it now. I want *real* exploration but with this show I won't hold my breath for much.
The Cheryl-is-still-Ash's-Sister part is what I'm happiest about.
Re Ashy-slashy - since in this verse whatever happened in the altered Evil Dead 2 timeline resulted in AOD apparently not happening (because there's no way he wouldn't be believed after the S-Mart incident), it's pretty likely that Ash was blamed for everyone's deaths (I guess we can add Jake, Bobbie Jo, Annie, both Knowbys and everyone's favorite bit part demon to that death toll too). Did he plead insanity? Is that why we've got an asylum episode? He gets thrown back in?
Joem1k said:Here's the new poster for season 2 and ruby holding pablo against his will.
[img=300x450]http://cdn.showbizjunkies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/ash-evil-dead-season2-poster.jpg[/img]
[img=400x257]http://www.tvinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/16-31-2127-812x522.jpg[/img]
@Doc
If we get just enough exploration into his past, i will be happy as a camper. Pablo looks like his going to be having a very interesting season instore for him, like i said eariler there will be a extensive breakdown later on tonight so stay tuned for that !
I love the poster; wonder if they'll be selling prints.
Joem1k said:Apparently comic con banned the trailer from being shown because it was "too gory"
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Another thing to add onto doc's theory about ash being called crazy by his home tome is that there is a part in the trailer where his holding his puppet version of himself so i'm going to bet someone commits him.
I feel fairly comfortable calling that another stab at fake controversy. They showed the red band for the remake at Comic Con and they're screening the season premiere there; no way anyone officially in charge gives a crap.
Kain said:[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzeJTAwqEJ4[/video]
Pros and cons time:
Pros:
* Force cam!
* The look on Ash's face when he sees Cheryl's room
* Makeup and effects. I will not put them slathering CGI on everything later past them tho
* The use of Ace of Spades
* Ted's horrible dye job, which I'm sure will set the tone for the character. Chet seems super likable, which is good and will make his (likely from Ted's stories) death impactful.
* The Classic Mach 2 being turned into a Christine-like demonic hellcar.
Cons:
* The jokey nature of the trailer makes me very worried that they're not going to give the whole Cheryl thing any weight. Ted Raimi talked about tone balance in his interview and it still remains a concern for me. Bruce's emotive reaction was very nice and I want to be hopeful.
* In fact the tone ping-pongs around a lot, which was a problem last season. The movies did it brilliantly, the show has little to no patience for it.
* Very, very little Linda2. Remember what happened last season when they mismanaged Amanda? I have similar fears.
* I'm on the fence about the whole Ashey Slashy stuff. It's a little 'Carrie White burns in hell'/Halloween Resurrection for me and, at the moment, doesn't make much canonical sense. Making it work for me is going to hinge on how they handle the rewrite of Evil Dead 2's ending.
* How did Ruby manage to lose control of the situation? She's an ancient demon who presumably lived through this situation before in the olden times. SHE WANTED THIS CHAOS.
* Spicy man meat. Mother/daughter sandwich....
* On the fence about Ash's dad being EXACTLY like him. I like it and yet eh. Nice twist that Ash is embaressed by the shit his dad is doing though. Maybe he internalized his behavior and that's why Ash is Ash?
* The psych ward episode looks cringy.
Notes:
* The blonde they kept showing looked so much like Samira Weaving I got distracted.
* The 'not again' implies that people regularly turn into Deadites at Ash's bar. How far will the bonds of credulity strain on that one?
* Pablo roaring in a graveyard with a mouthful of blood. Looks like he might tempo-turn for awhile?
Joem1k said:Mardeadite said:I noticed something strange going on with the shotgun in my first viewing, but it wasn't until the second I saw he was using the Kandarian Dagger as a bayonet! Nice touch.
Spicy meat gag made me cringe a bit (although it fitted this version of Ash) but that worked well.
I died laughing at the spicy meat joke, yeah it's gross and crude but i treat it as a simple throw-away/line from him, plus i think he was just doing it to get at ruby given his "get used to that feeling" line afterwards .
I liked "Ladies First" better as a throwaway. IDK! We'll see how it goes.